– [KJV] Matthew 6:5. After an hour or so, I began to sing a song and suddenly I stopped. Biblegateway.com has a wide selection of reading plans (and they’re free!).. No man can get the alphabet learned for him by another. And the list goes on. When human help fails, God will be the helper of his people. and Anton Bosch offer some excellent thoughts on the topic…. It’s one thing to verbally express a desire to turn from a certain sin. Hagee appears to have been the original source of this teaching picked up by the WoF camp and other heretical teachers. ), and that they can keep or break this covenant by their actions toward modern day Israel. Colorado Springs, Colorado, United States About Blog Community Bible Study Prayer Blog is a place where you can study God's Word from a Judeo-Christian point of view. Hagee (*also) told the crowd Thursday night that the United States is also on its way to breaking a covenant with God. They COULD repent on behalf of the church and we still can today. Of course these elements aren’t unique to prayer by proxy. In 2002, an act of the Minnesota State Legislature established it … You might encounter this prayer practice in churches and in other Christian prayer groups, especially during times when strong prayers are needed for someone’s deliverance or healing. Also, while appearing to depend upon God, once again we are dependent upon ourselves for our saving grace. Pertaining to this present post, I would imagine that Hagee believes we can “repent” on behalf of our nation for its “misdeeds” regarding Israel, in order to ward off judgment. I will never forget when I first got saved and was attending a miracle service in Pittsburgh, PA. Instead I will note that the general idea of using a proxy is in both the Old and New Testaments. Claims of head witches and occultic leaders coming to Christ and healings with many hours of soaking in god’s presence. modern nations today (especially with those that are perceived to have once been “a Christian nation”). In the Old Testament, on the Day of Atonement, a “scapegoat” was used as a proxy to stand in the people’s place to take away their sin. Absolutely! You can repent on behalf of your family as much as you like, but until they individually and personally repent, nothing is going to happen. In the story of the Pharisee and the publican the Pharisee is one who prayed long and often, but he was a miserable failure. Bible Stories take you through the Bible from Genesis to Revelation … Secondly, there is no such thing as repentance “by proxy.”. Explore this and other forms of prayer through the Pray Deep prayer journals.Each book will lead you through a variety of prayer methods through 21 days of focused prayers. Change ), ABRAHAM OUR FATHER, JERUSALEM OUR MOTHER (1), ABRAHAM OUR FATHER, JERUSALEM OUR MOTHER  (2), ABRAHAM OUR FATHER, JERUSALEM OUR MOTHER (3), ABRAHAM OUR FATHER, JERUSALEM OUR MOTHER (4), ABRAHAM OUR FATHER, JERUSALEM OUR MOTHER (5), ABRAHAM OUR FATHER, JERUSALEM OUR MOTHER (6), "But there is further reason, and a pressing one today, why we should write upon our present subject, and that is to expose the modern and pernicious error of Dispensationalism. Whether its these sorts of endeavors, things like Promise Keepers, or any number of other pursuits based on vows and public proclamations, this is the scripture that keeps coming to me. Providence. On May Day, this year – 2010, a large number of people met at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC to pray various prayers of repentance “on behalf of the American people.”[2] I remember a number of times, when growing up in South Africa, that the Government called national days of prayer and repentance in the hope that God would send rain at times of drought. Member Who Will Bring Your Proxy This information will be sent only to the email of the church office secretary and the person bringing your proxy. Philemon 1:4 I always thank my God as I remember you in my prayers. 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This is the Table of Contents of Herbert Lockyer’s “All The Prayers Of The Bible” Prayer in the Old Testament Genesis Prayer History Begins .....Gen. 4:26 Prayer and Spiritual Progress .....Gen. 5:21-24 There are many Bible verses on prayer, but simply put, we are to “Pray without ceasing” 1 Thessalonians 5:17 ESV . I started crying again, because it dawned on me… I can pray for the salvation of everyone on this whole earth and believe God is able to do it; yet He already thought of this, and provided a way for them, but they are the ones who must take responsibility for their own sin. On the other hand, in my own personal prayer experiences, I have found that actually being present with someone as you pray for their healing adds extra benefits for the ill person. The speaker received a word of knowledge that night that people in the service were being delivered from nicotine (cigarettes). If you’re using prayer by proxy for someone’s physical healing, the person, though not physically present, typically wants and accepts the prayers on their behalf. Having been in the chair myself being prayed over for one of my sons, I can tell you that it’s very moving to feel the outpouring of prayers for my loved one. The vast majority of these are a waste of time since the person praying has no intention of changing their actions, lifestyles or habits. In priests service. Please note that in these Biblical instances, these proxies were determined by God. Since I’m not a theologian, I will leave it to others with more depth of knowledge to fully explore the Biblical and traditional roots of prayer by proxy. I am still learning after 30 years of wrong teaching and beliefs. Notable prayers. Matthew 6:9-13 Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. This means you cannot repent on behalf of other people, whether living or dead. You hear many pastors, teachers, intercessors, etc. The short answer is no – there are a bunch of problems with this notion. It is sad to see how widely successful the devil has been by means of this subtle innovation." . I remember reading in one of your posts not too long ago where John Hagee claimed that England had broken “their covenant” with God by not standing with Israel. See SUFFERINGS, VICARIOUS. Resources: Choose a daily Bible reading plan and use the day’s reading for your prayers. My reader described the prayer mode she wanted to know more about as the practice of having someone sit, kneel, etc. This prayer concerns the “harvest field” of evangelism in the world. This means you cannot repent on behalf of other people, whether living or dead. Praying with them often brings them feelings of peace, comfort and a sense that God is with them. Just been reading a document about the erroneous teaching that logos and rhema have two different meanings as taught by John Hagee, quite an eye opener for me after having believed logos is the written word and rhema the prophetic spoken word. National Repentance, Praying by PROXY: Is this Biblical? In spite of the many prayers of repentance prayed on behalf of the nations, all nations are becoming more sinful and thus those prayers clearly do not work. "Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.....", "Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set", False Teachings: The Hebrew Roots Movement, "It is time to speak out because Christian Zionism has become a formidable and dangerous movement. Prayer of this kind has already entered the stage of true communion with God. I also felt that the intercessors around me were able to speak out in prayer more specifically about the person who was not present. Adam, when you figure it out let me know . I suppose they’re making a simplistic jump from the idea that God established the Old Covenant primarily with the theocratic nation of Israel, and therefore He does the same with (some?) What a mess of a belief system. In this video-based Bible study, Chrystal teaches us the basic tenets of prayer practice and establishes a realistic and doable pattern of prayer to be applied to our daily life for 28 days with lasting effect. Thus, even in the Old Testament, God’s dealings were on an individual basis. Read more here: National Repentance, Praying by PROXY. But true repentance is followed by action, otherwise it is just hypocrisy. Now can someone please tell me if it is scriptural for a preacher to “command a blessing” on members of a congregation. The teachings of Christian Zionism is based upon so much scripture twisting and the misapplying of certain old testament scriptures, its hard to follow. He “sensed” there were people with divisions in their families and “broke off curses over families”. I suppose they’re making a simplistic jump from the idea that God established the Old Covenant primarily with the theocratic nation of Israel, and therefore He does the same with (some?) Other helpful prayers Standing in the gap prayer based on Psalm 28-30 for those in bad situations who do not know how to seek God’s help for themselves Prayer by proxy when the person you are praying for isn’t present Television and radio evangelist Pastor John Hagee believes the recent eruption of the volcano in Iceland stems from Britain breaking God’s covenant. ( Log Out /  ~  Zion's Christian Soldiers, Teaching Sound Doctrine & Glorifying Christ. Grace is a photograph by Eric Enstrom.It depicts an elderly man with hands folded, saying a prayer over a table with a simple meal. Believers can pray from the heart, freely, spontaneously, and in their own words.If prayer is a difficult area for you, learn these basics principles of prayer and how to apply them in your life. And yet EVEN IN THE CASE OF ISRAEL, the division between church and state was distinct. This study proves itself with the conscience feeling quite pleased… with itself. Prayer is not a mysterious practice reserved only for clergy and the religiously devout. It has become customary to speak of prayers of “national repentance”. People observing the National Day of Prayer on Thursday at Meetinghouse Park prayed at seven stations set up to represent seven centers of power in America: Government, church, military, family, education, media and business…. This person sitting in for someone else can be a member of their family or someone who feels close to the person for whom prayer is being lifted. Paul, speaking of the mission to the Gentiles said: “That they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance” (Acts 26:20). So, no prayer of repentance is worth anything unless it is accompanied by actions. What Does That Mean? Jesus says in Matthew 18:19  “Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. James 5:14, 15" (Christian Temperance and Bible Hygiene, 113-114). To my knowledge there is not one single account of a person "standing in proxy" while receiving prayer for another person in the pages of the New Testament (or for that matter casting out devils by proxy or commissioning angels to go and preach the Gospel) and certainly there is no instruction by the Lord or any of the Apostles to engage in such practices, yet so many Christians still believe there is something … It's the end (of the end) of the world as we know it... Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Whether you are seeking wisdom, peace, healing, protection, joy, or daily prayers, we can help you find the words to say. It’s extremely comforting and empowering to those of us participating in the prayer. My friend and I are planning to bite the bullet and attend a CUFI “Stand With Israel” event next Tuesday night in north Minneapolis, just to see what takes place at these rallies. In essence a prayer by proxy is the same as all acts of intercessory prayer: coming before God as inspired by the Holy Spirit to pour out God’s love, longings, hopes and desires for others that by their own free will they might embrace God and his plan for their life. The posture of others gathered around in prayer and the person standing in proxy of kneeling or sitting in a receptive posture help us pray with more focus. It is loaded with symbolism but void of content. It is a prayer that people will be saved and God will be glorified. The word "proxy" means "the authority to act or stand in place of another." Amen. Surprising Reasons Why. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with you .”  (NIV). And this pursuit of a corrupted Old Testament civil religion is playing a major role in bringing our nation to destruction. Q1: Is America analogous to Israel, making 2 Chr. Repentance is about doing not talking. Yes, that was the post, regarding Iceland’s volcanic eruption. …repentance is something that needs to be done, rather than prayed. We are next. PJ, They couldn’t repent for the nation of Israel under the Old Covenant either. So, was God dealing with them as a nation or individually? To make this even more clear, let me quote from the Emotion Code, changing things just a bit: Let’s talk about the actual steps involved in doing a proxy test. It’s another to actually follow through, by the power of the Holy Spirit. More importantly, this divine proxy system only works if individuals who need to be forgiven and need to connect to God make their own decision to personally accept the work of the proxy on their behalf. It seems that Hagee believes whole nations today are somehow bound to the land covenant that God made with Abraham, despite what the New Testament has to say on the subject (Galatians 3, Romans 4, Hebrews 11:10-16, etc. The crisis passed, the situation stabilized, we learned how to relate to each other in new ways. The ‘Church’, which is not always representing the “Church”, made up of a huge group of people, who tend to do ‘good deeds’, or make an appearance in front of an audience to do these ‘good deeds’, so that they will seem ‘good’ is rather biblical. We have another biblical command to pray for the unsaved: “I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people. BCNN1 is a part of that network. 2 Chronicles 30:17. I had gone to God with great pain and prayed for this Nation of people. Full Armor of God Prayer Proclamations. We are in training for the great tribulation, but more than sixty percent of the Body of Christ across the world has already entered into the tribulation. Perhaps that is what needs to happen IN THE CHURCH today. However, I do believe there were people there among the crowd whose prayers were heard. Proxy. let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up.' - by Arthur Pink, Apostasy Watch: What We Believe About Israel By Steve Lumbley, The People of God, the Land of Israel, and the Impartiality of the Gospel, "It is time to speak out because Christian Zionism has become a formidable and dangerous movement. Praying on Mardi Gras or Fat Tuesday? This teaching is something I’d like to look into more deeply. I do not feel special as I say this, rather it does give me Joy knowing that if our hearts are fixed on Him, He is Faithful to Save. ( Log Out /  It may have been this one: John Hagee: “Iceland’s volcano eruption resulted from Britain’s advertising standards”. We cannot repent on behalf of our family, a church, and least of all, a nation. Smile. This is called free will. In the early part of the post it was said. I might find out soon enough. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. Like this post? Posture helps us communicate with our whole being body, mind and spirit. She appeared to be a very anointed woman of God and I had a very good witness coming in from the Holy Spirit that her dramatic story was true and that she truly was a woman of God. John Bunyan writes that, Prayer is a sincere, sensible, affectionate pouring out of the heart or soul to God, through The real Godparent must give a mandate directly or indirectly (through the agency of others but with his or her consent) to the proxy. When Israel’s leaders TRULY repented, sins were purged, usually accompanied by bloodshed. (see Leviticus 16: 7 -10, 20-22)  In this ritual, Aaron, the High Priest, laid hands on the scapegoat  and confessed the sins of Israel and then drove the goat out into the wilderness to symbolize the sins of the  people being removed. Q3: Were the First Century Christians (mostly Jewish believers) Zionists, defending the land of Israel against foreign invaders? Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. The Get Back to Prayer Meeting Campaign; Gospel Light Society International and GLM Omnimedia Group LLC have a network of over 1,000 Christian news sites which contain the preaching of the Gospel and Christian discipleship teaching in every country of the world and in every major city of the world. I tend to think (each day) the intentions of others (and of my own) seem good to man; yet we fail miserably in our efforts. But while this belief is presupposed by those who pray and teach about prayer in the Gospels and the New Testament church, in two prominent cases God's will is precisely not changed by human petitioning: in Jesus' Gethsemane prayer and in Paul's thrice-prayed request to have his "thorn in the flesh" removed. in the place of someone else that is being prayed for. Community Bible Study is an interdenominational Bible study offering a wide range of courses and to make disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ in our communities through caring, in-depth Bible study, available to all. What position does he hold greater than others if he able to command blessings. Maybe the words synergy, intimacy and specificity apply as the intercessors are freed by praying over a proxy to speak God’s words into the life of the person in need as if that person were actually present there in the room. Perhaps I can command my own blessings?!! He only deals with individuals. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. I remember reading in one of your posts not too long ago where John Hagee claimed that England had broken “their covenant” with God by not standing with Israel. ( Log Out /  Here are my thoughts, ideas and experiences with prayer using a proxy. This woman’s name was Alice Smith. This reminded me of when I was first awoken. The Task Force’s mission, according to its literature, is to “communicate the need for personal repentance and prayer mobilizing the Christian community to intercede for America and its leadership in seven centers of power: government, church, military, family, education, media and business.”[1]. If it did, perhaps it would go a long ways toward bringing our NATION to Christ. This is a device of the Enemy, designed to rob the children of no small part of that bread which their heavenly Father has provided for their souls; a device wherein the wily serpent appears as an angel of light, feigning to "make the Bible a new book" by simplifying much in it which perplexes the spiritually unlearned. Q5: As much as I’d like to, can I repent of the unbiblical nationalistic idolatry on behalf of my American evangelical brothers and sisters? Those who oppose her are demonized. You simply follow the same procedure as outlined in the book for normal proxy testing. Now that we have our armor on, let's stand up and be champions for Christ! This is not about following the rules, but about achieving a certain result. Back to my experience with being prayed over as a proxy for my son. Follow Jesus Down the Mount of Olives. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Often praying is part of a worship experience, either at church or privately. Under the new covenant we can no more repent for a nation then we can each other. I’m sure the fault was mine for not being able to explain it adequately. Prudence. A second source of power of this prayer mode is posture. I can’t speak to what goes on in the spiritual realm, but I can speak to the elements that tend to heighten the feeling of God’s presence. John the Baptist said that the Pharisees who had come to see him baptize must: “Bear fruits worthy of repentance” (Matthew 3:8). . There is ample evidence for public God-honoring prayer in the Bible, by such models as Ezra, Solomon, and Jesus. “It’s like sticking your finger in the eye of God.”. Clearly, individually; since Joshua and Caleb would have had to perish with the rest of the nation if God was dealing with them as a group. ... CBN News app to ensure you keep receiving news from a Christian ... for Prayer: (800) 823-6053. Blessed are they which do Hunger and Thirst.. Corrie Ten Boom, Prepared for the Coming Tribulation, Rooted and Grounded In Christ. Using biblical terminology to justify a pre-emptive global war merely reinforces stereotypes, fuels extremism, incites fundamentalism and increases the likelihood of a nuclear holocaust." Isaiah said: “Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts; Let him return to the Lord, And He will have mercy on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon” (Isaiah 55:7). 1. Discover the power of prayer withour topical prayers meant to meet your need! When God destroyed the world in the Flood, righteous Noah and his family were saved. Although it can never take the place of confession of our individual and specific sins, we should not overlook corporate confession in our own practice. And I learned how to speak honestly and openly with God and also learned to be vulnerable enough to let others pray for me in a very personal way. “In this prayer Daniel confesses his own sin and also the sin of the people of God, one of many biblical examples of confession by proxy. I hope those who still read here understand it better coming from the excellent bible teacher Anton Bosch. 7:14 apply to people who are not believers? See SUBSTITUTION. How do you do it? Herescope and Anton Bosch offer some excellent thoughts on the topic…. The lack of understanding regarding the New Covenant has to be one of the most grievous things we are witnessing today in the professing church. Q4: Speaking of repentance, is there sufficient public knowledge of John Hagee’s repentance of the public act of divorcing his first wife to marry his secretary? If you have further questions about prayer by proxy, I’d advise anyone to speak with their clergyperson or research the teachings of their denomination on this subject. One unspoken question in our minds on the subject of prayer by proxy is this: Is this a more effective way of praying for someone than other means of intercessory prayer? Introduction It has been rightly said, “the secret of all failure is our failure in secret prayer.” Not just our failure to pray, but our failure in prayer. using the phrase "standing in the gap" when referring to praying for others; but my experience is that many praying people don't really understand the meaning of that phrase or what it has to do with "intercession". The really good news to this, is that God always knew something we did not… a small remnant of people were set aside for Himself. 20. 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